Steve

Mar 10 2015, 09:21 PM

A bullet from some crappy pea shooter though.

Just because he doesn't take piercing damage doesn't mean he can take every hit he's hurt by punches and whatnot.
Stopping a huge snake and kicking its head in is easily as good as breaking a few trees. And considering the toads can use jutsu I doubt that was some normal snake it would have had access to chakra same as Manda and Manda II(otherwise it makes no sense for the latter to be so strong considering it's size) therefore stronger still.

Actually what are you talking about by breaking trees? You mean right at the start when he breaks a small section of a tree by kicking it in the middle? That is not all that impressive, Naruto's feat with the snake completely dwarfs that.

It's actually more impressive that he could throw the log than smash it but still incomparable a single scale on the snake is as big as that log so it's quite obviously not going to be as heavy.

supersaqer

Mar 11 2015, 03:08 PM

Crappy pea shooter?

Here's also a pic of Goku taking on sub machine gun bullets.

Stopping a huge snake and kicking its head in is as easily as good as breaking a few trees? One shot of Gaara that blew a small hole on the side of trees sent Naruto flying away and hurt him quite a lot. This snake isn't even remotely close to Manda in power. This is just a generic snake summoning. Orochimaru showed it already and it's nowhere even remotely close to the power of Manda.


Breaking that rock (which is easily bigger than Goku) with the pressure of his hand.

Well, I remembered the feat wrong . Still, Goku tanked getting sent through multiple hardened trees by Yamcha. He was hungry too. When he had barely any power left, he still use his Janken Paper to blow Yamcha away and hurt him, so his attack is as strong as Yamcha's Wolf Fang Fist. In the rematch, a single kick ended the fight.

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The log isn't as heavy obviously, but how did Naruto stop the snake. He stabbed it with two of his Kunais with full might, and the snake probably stopped due to surprise.


Pretty sure those are just rock formations not hardened trees, their durability is debatable I doubt weathered rocks no doubt buffeted by sandstorms for years would shrug off sand shurikens. Still some good durability but definitely not superior to sand shurikens.

Which might I add Naruto took little damage from in base, obviously he's going to tank greater hits using Kyuubi chakra. Considering his massive strength boost across the board he's going to beat Goku in every stat.

Steve

Mar 12 2015, 03:00 AM

supersaqer

Mar 11 2015, 03:08 PM

Crappy pea shooter?

Here's also a pic of Goku taking on sub machine gun bullets.

Stopping a huge snake and kicking its head in is as easily as good as breaking a few trees? One shot of Gaara that blew a small hole on the side of trees sent Naruto flying away and hurt him quite a lot. This snake isn't even remotely close to Manda in power. This is just a generic snake summoning. Orochimaru showed it already and it's nowhere even remotely close to the power of Manda.


Breaking that rock (which is easily bigger than Goku) with the pressure of his hand.

Well, I remembered the feat wrong . Still, Goku tanked getting sent through multiple hardened trees by Yamcha. He was hungry too. When he had barely any power left, he still use his Janken Paper to blow Yamcha away and hurt him, so his attack is as strong as Yamcha's Wolf Fang Fist. In the rematch, a single kick ended the fight.

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The log isn't as heavy obviously, but how did Naruto stop the snake. He stabbed it with two of his Kunais with full might, and the snake probably stopped due to surprise.


Pretty sure those are just rock formations not hardened trees, their durability is debatable I doubt weathered rocks no doubt buffeted by sandstorms for years would shrug off sand shurikens. Still some good durability but definitely not superior to sand shurikens.

Which might I add Naruto took little damage from in base, obviously he's going to tank greater hits using Kyuubi chakra. Considering his massive strength boost across the board he's going to beat Goku in every stat.

Considering most of the guns in Dragon Ball are like WW2 era weapons yeah. That looks like a Markov, hardly a Desert Eagle.

Still not a modern machine gun, better than the handgun for sure but not a high powered weapon by any means.

You realize taking sand shurikens is a good feat right? That far surpasses a crappy sub machine gun or pistol they have enough force to go through a tree, not many bullets do. They didn't even cut Naruto up and it's not like they all hit the tree so the damage wasn't reduced. Not to mention they're a far larger object with high density.

My point is it's not going to be a normal snake it'll be a...ninja snake or whatever same as the toads are for Naruto, Jiraiya and Minato.
Manda II is barely bigger than Manda yet had the strength to flip over the Island Turtle, so obviously their strength is enhanced through chakra control or jutsu's. Therefore the generic snake is still going to be powerful.

"bigger than Goku" who is a shortass that doesn't compare to stopping the snake.

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Then completely wrecking it

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Considering the second picture I highly doubt it was just surprise that stopped it those kunai were mosquito bites in comparison


Being hungry doesn't really mean anything for Goku when it comes to fighting if he's using Kamehameha yeah but not regular combat.

supersaqer

Mar 12 2015, 12:44 PM

It's still a bullet to the head at point blank range.

So what? It's much better than any of Naruto's durability feats.

Nope, they don't surpass the gun feat. They made small holes on the side of trees and blew Naruto away and hurt him.

But it's still not a boss summoning. It's just a generic snake.

Where did he wreck it? Also stopping it doesn't require much. He stabbed it with two Kunais while being powered up from the Kyuubi Chakra. It must be the element of surprise that caused the snake to stop immediately after being stabbed by a strong force.

It does mean a thing.

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Steve

Mar 12 2015, 09:00 PM

supersaqer

Mar 12 2015, 12:44 PM

It's still a bullet to the head at point blank range.

So what? It's much better than any of Naruto's durability feats.

Nope, they don't surpass the gun feat. They made small holes on the side of trees and blew Naruto away and hurt him.

But it's still not a boss summoning. It's just a generic snake.

Where did he wreck it? Also stopping it doesn't require much. He stabbed it with two Kunais while being powered up from the Kyuubi Chakra. It must be the element of surprise that caused the snake to stop immediately after being stabbed by a strong force.

It does mean a thing.

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Which is decent but no not superior to Naruto's taking of sand shurikens.

They smash holes pretty much the full diameter of the tree, they would quite obviously go through the whole tree if they hit the middle.
That is far more powerful than a bullet from a pistol or sub machine gun a 50.cal round would probably struggle to go through a whole tree so effortlessly wood is a fairly tough thing.
And bullets have an easier time of it too since they're smaller and have more penetrative force, yet they still can't go through thick tress easily because they're not all that powerful.

It's a generic summon snake but not a normal snake. Like if a regular snake grew that big it wouldn't be as powerful because it's just a snake not a superpowered ninja snake.

Eh...yes it does lol do you not see how big it is? It's not going to be bothered by two little kunai stab wounds and like Orochimaru would bother with a snake that weak. There's a cloud of dust after it's stopped because it was coming at force, Naruto stops it.
Not to mention it also bites in to the tree it didn't casually stroll over it launched itself at Sasuke to kill him. Stopping it is why Oro got freaked out.


Not really though he's just tired he doesn't get less durability or anything by being hungry he doesn't even use his ki at that point. His durability never changes based on hunger so him not being hungry isn't some kind of advantage.

supersaqer

Mar 13 2015, 10:18 AM

It's superior.

Lol, what are you saying? They blow small holes on the side of the tree. It won't go through the whole tree at all. This thing could blow a small hole because of its size. Bring one of the strongest shotguns, and it will blow holes in trees, and the shots are still smaller than the shurikens.

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Bullets do have blunt force too, and they're smaller so they can't blow small holes on trees. It will go inside. They're not designed to smash holes but to penetrate.


Well, we're talking about Kyuubi Chakra powered Naruto here, stabbing the snake with all his might. It would obviously stop. Also the dust would imply that the snake stopped too.

It's specifically stated that when Goku is hungry, he gets weaker. So both durability and strength are weakened.

Steve

Mar 14 2015, 01:02 AM

supersaqer

Mar 13 2015, 10:18 AM

It's superior.

Lol, what are you saying? They blow small holes on the side of the tree. It won't go through the whole tree at all. This thing could blow a small hole because of its size. Bring one of the strongest shotguns, and it will blow holes in trees, and the shots are still smaller than the shurikens.

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Bullets do have blunt force too, and they're smaller so they can't blow small holes on trees. It will go inside. They're not designed to smash holes but to penetrate.


Well, we're talking about Kyuubi Chakra powered Naruto here, stabbing the snake with all his might. It would obviously stop. Also the dust would imply that the snake stopped too.

It's specifically stated that when Goku is hungry, he gets weaker. So both durability and strength are weakened.

Ah in the anime they're bigger.

Still way more power than a bullet.
You say it like it does hardly any damage, it goes right through the tree easily and keeps going, that's a lot of force. Might not be a big hole but the projectile isn't big itself.

A bullet has more velocity(presumably) and piercing power but definitely not as much force you can run at someone and get shot 10 times and it won't knock you back but those sand shurikens knocked Naruto way back.

if they have enough force to knock back a 12 year old boy and smack him against a tree, they're more powerful than a bullet for sure. Especially a WW2 era bullet.


If that were the case the snake would have bigger wounds, it was just so he could grip it better. A tiny little stab like that wouldn't do anything to such a huge creature. If he was using his strength to damage it with them it wouldn't have a face anymore.
The dust implies a great force was halted.


Not really though because Ki isn't at play with that.
When has Goku ever been low on Ki in a fight later on and moaned about being hungry? He was literally hungry not low on Ki, so his durability wouldn't be affected as he's not using Ki to enhance it.

supersaqer

Mar 14 2015, 10:56 AM

Yeah because the anime is a reliable source....

Because of its size and the shape of it. It's designed to be a blunt weapon. Look at blunt weapons IRL and they do way more damage. Canonsballs as an example. A bullet can kill, but doesn't necessarily send people flying. Goku's skin is so durable that even a bullet, which has way more piercing power couldn't pierce his skin.

Doesn't mean that his strength could stop the snake. A stab coming from a strong individual would obviously shock the snake. The dust also would mean that it stopped by itself.

He didn't know Ki back then, so it doesn't matter. Him being hungry would weaken him. It's literally stated.

Steve

Mar 16 2015, 12:33 AM

supersaqer

Mar 14 2015, 10:56 AM

Yeah because the anime is a reliable source....

Because of its size and the shape of it. It's designed to be a blunt weapon. Look at blunt weapons IRL and they do way more damage. Canonsballs as an example. A bullet can kill, but doesn't necessarily send people flying. Goku's skin is so durable that even a bullet, which has way more piercing power couldn't pierce his skin.

Doesn't mean that his strength could stop the snake. A stab coming from a strong individual would obviously shock the snake. The dust also would mean that it stopped by itself.

He didn't know Ki back then, so it doesn't matter. Him being hungry would weaken him. It's literally stated.

Well I couldn't be arsed spending ages with my internet finding the right chapter

Yes and even with it's weight(being compressed sand) it still has that much force they basically would be like cannonballs really.

Goku is still susceptible to blunt force attacks just because bullets can't pierce him doesn't mean he could take every attack, people punching him still hurts, albeit superhuman people.
I doubt Goku would shrug off a hit from a cannonball at the beginning of the series.

I doubt it the blades aren't even fully in it if the stabs did anything they'd be gaping woulds, it's just for extra grip.
There's no way he can pull off beating up the snake with a punch but not stopping it.


Weaken his stamina and therefore strength yeah but not durability he's never taken damage from something then eaten and tanked the same damage. Being on the verge of starvation would leave someone unable to fight properly but they wouldn't die from the slightest tap would they?

supersaqer

Mar 16 2015, 01:05 PM

They're not like cannonballs at all. Cannonballs can wreck walls and trees easily. They can even potentially wreck buildings.

He is susceptible to attacks, but he's durable. Also Goku would shrug off a hit from a cannonball at the beginning of the series.

Okay. The snake easily waved Naruto after it stopped. Naruto didn't just stop it with his strength alone.

Not eating would mean he wouldn't have much energy. His muscles won't work at full effort therefore it won't be capable of taking on hits the same as if it was at full effort. Even Goku showed better durability feats after eating.

Steve

Mar 17 2015, 12:19 AM

supersaqer

Mar 16 2015, 01:05 PM

They're not like cannonballs at all. Cannonballs can wreck walls and trees easily. They can even potentially wreck buildings.

He is susceptible to attacks, but he's durable. Also Goku would shrug off a hit from a cannonball at the beginning of the series.

Okay. The snake easily waved Naruto after it stopped. Naruto didn't just stop it with his strength alone.

Not eating would mean he wouldn't have much energy. His muscles won't work at full effort therefore it won't be capable of taking on hits the same as if it was at full effort. Even Goku showed better durability feats after eating.

What makes you think Sand Shurikens aren't capable of that? they smash through wood without losing momentum, that's a lot of force.

Just because Naruto survived them doesn't make them weak it makes Naruto tough.


I highly doubt that if gunfire from crappy weapons would cause him pain, you can clearly see him yelping whenever he gets shot.
I think he could survive being hit by a cannonball, but not tank it with no damage it'd break what it hit except maybe his head.

Well, pretty sure he did since he near caved its head in can't have that kind of strength but not be able to stop it. Kyuubi chakra gave Naruto the strength to literally stop Neji's rotation which was never done in the series again, it's one of the many hax techniques in the series.
Naruto with Kyuubi chakra is easily like half as strong as Tsunade.

Did he really though? I don't remember him ever taking less damage, fatigue limits all your physical movement, punching, running, getting up after being knocked down.
There's never a moment I remember where an attack would make Goku bleed but then after eating he'd take no damage.